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	<title>Comments on: Study: Obese Girls Are More Likely to Avoid Going to College</title>
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		<title>By: Roberta Lipp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roberta Lipp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This made me so sad that I still haven&#039;t finished reading it or any of the comments. 
I know part of the reason I didn&#039;t aspire to go away to college. Or to a lot of things. 
At some point I&#039;ll read it all. And probably write, on my own, about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This made me so sad that I still haven&#8217;t finished reading it or any of the comments.<br />
I know part of the reason I didn&#8217;t aspire to go away to college. Or to a lot of things.<br />
At some point I&#8217;ll read it all. And probably write, on my own, about it.</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kateharding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Piper, I have a Master&#039;s, too, and plenty of other people around here have Ph.D.s. It&#039;s awesome that you had a good college experience, fat-wise, but the point of this study isn&#039;t that fat girls don&#039;t go to college at all -- the vast majority of people around here contradict that as much as you do. The point is, too many fat girls who are qualified are opting out of college. Just because we weren&#039;t among them doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s not true of plenty of young women.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piper, I have a Master&#8217;s, too, and plenty of other people around here have Ph.D.s. It&#8217;s awesome that you had a good college experience, fat-wise, but the point of this study isn&#8217;t that fat girls don&#8217;t go to college at all &#8212; the vast majority of people around here contradict that as much as you do. The point is, too many fat girls who are qualified are opting out of college. Just because we weren&#8217;t among them doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not true of plenty of young women.</p>
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		<title>By: Piper</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Piper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kate, I would just like to say this study is absolutely not true!
I&#039;m a size 22/24, black and a graduate of the University of Michigan.

I also attended Western Michigan for two years and lived in the dorms.  At both schools, the campuses were so big, all we did was walk, walk, walk.  I actually was bigger than then ( I was
a size 26/28) I am now.

What can I say about my college experiences? Let&#039;s see, 
I made a TON of friends both thin and fat, I had 4 
boyfriends (two were okay, one was lousy and one 
was great--I actually met more guys there!) and although the seats were small, even at that size, I was able to fit in the chairs.

I actually encountered more RACISM than fatphobia.  Talking
with other people, and because of the whole affirmative
action hoopla, there was more divisiveness among black
and white lines.  I am shocked that this is even an issue.

I&#039;m in graduate school now at a predominately women&#039;s
college and met people from all walks of life.  My size
has never really been an issue until the American media
made it an issue.  It&#039;s sad that the 50-billion dollar diet
industry puts so much pressure on women.

And can anyone say Camryn Manheim, who has a master&#039;s
degree from NYU?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, I would just like to say this study is absolutely not true!<br />
I&#8217;m a size 22/24, black and a graduate of the University of Michigan.</p>
<p>I also attended Western Michigan for two years and lived in the dorms.  At both schools, the campuses were so big, all we did was walk, walk, walk.  I actually was bigger than then ( I was<br />
a size 26/28) I am now.</p>
<p>What can I say about my college experiences? Let&#8217;s see,<br />
I made a TON of friends both thin and fat, I had 4<br />
boyfriends (two were okay, one was lousy and one<br />
was great&#8211;I actually met more guys there!) and although the seats were small, even at that size, I was able to fit in the chairs.</p>
<p>I actually encountered more RACISM than fatphobia.  Talking<br />
with other people, and because of the whole affirmative<br />
action hoopla, there was more divisiveness among black<br />
and white lines.  I am shocked that this is even an issue.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in graduate school now at a predominately women&#8217;s<br />
college and met people from all walks of life.  My size<br />
has never really been an issue until the American media<br />
made it an issue.  It&#8217;s sad that the 50-billion dollar diet<br />
industry puts so much pressure on women.</p>
<p>And can anyone say Camryn Manheim, who has a master&#8217;s<br />
degree from NYU?</p>
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		<title>By: BStu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BStu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I had to have a physical before college, but it was after I got admitted and performed by my own doctor.  They just needed the records.  I don&#039;t think (though I&#039;m not certain) that its about proving physical worthiness for an education as much as its just about making sure you aren&#039;t bringing in any infectuous diseases into the campus.  Not that I think you&#039;d be denied for having TB or something.  Just that you might be expected to undergo treatment first.  Moreso, it just gives the campus docs something to work from whenever you visit the clinic with the flu.

Of course, I wasn&#039;t fat when I applied for college and I can understand why a fat person would be anxious about the motives.  With some cause, obviously, because I&#039;m sure a lot of interviewers would give bad marks to a fat applicant.  I know I had high school teachers who said they advised bright fat students in the past to avoid interviews out of fear that they would be judged by their body and not their academic merits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I had to have a physical before college, but it was after I got admitted and performed by my own doctor.  They just needed the records.  I don&#8217;t think (though I&#8217;m not certain) that its about proving physical worthiness for an education as much as its just about making sure you aren&#8217;t bringing in any infectuous diseases into the campus.  Not that I think you&#8217;d be denied for having TB or something.  Just that you might be expected to undergo treatment first.  Moreso, it just gives the campus docs something to work from whenever you visit the clinic with the flu.</p>
<p>Of course, I wasn&#8217;t fat when I applied for college and I can understand why a fat person would be anxious about the motives.  With some cause, obviously, because I&#8217;m sure a lot of interviewers would give bad marks to a fat applicant.  I know I had high school teachers who said they advised bright fat students in the past to avoid interviews out of fear that they would be judged by their body and not their academic merits.</p>
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		<title>By: lauredhel</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/24/study-obese-girls-are-more-likely-to-avoid-going-to-college/#comment-4653</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lauredhel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A physical to be admitted to university? Do people &quot;fail&quot; a physical, get knocked back for admission as a result? Why?

Sorry, I&#039;ve never heard of such a thing. What possible justification could there be for denying admission to an educational institution on the basis of an illness or disability? (And how could it be legal to do so?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A physical to be admitted to university? Do people &#8220;fail&#8221; a physical, get knocked back for admission as a result? Why?</p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;ve never heard of such a thing. What possible justification could there be for denying admission to an educational institution on the basis of an illness or disability? (And how could it be legal to do so?)</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Cox Semple</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/24/study-obese-girls-are-more-likely-to-avoid-going-to-college/#comment-4650</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Cox Semple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 05:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is interesting to me because, in some ways, I think I grew up in an atypical situation.  Fat pretty much since the beginning, I had an incredibly supportive (and -- to varying degrees -- fat) family who never allowed me to use my size as an excuse for doing (or not doing) anything.  I participated in a gazillion extracurricular activities all the way through school, was very active in the community, and was assertive and outgoing in everything I did.  Gosh, I&#039;m still like that today at the tender age of 41.  ;-)

Despite my freakishly &quot;normal&quot; life, its attendant honors and kudos, and my seemingly unusual high esteem (that is, for a fat girl), when it came time for me to go to college, I did fear that my weight would interfere with the process.  I was afraid that I would be rejected by the schools where I applied, that the required physical would somehow be used as code to discriminate against me, that the other students would all be perfect size 8s and incapable of understanding/accepting my never-size-8 self.

Thankfully, that period of insecurity was relatively short as I was accepted to every college where I applied, the weigh-in at my physical apparently didn&#039;t disqualify me, and I found a campus full of individual people with individual body types and all sorts of their own individual insecurities.  I immediately fell back into try-everything-at-least-once-and-do-it-well mode, and can happily say that, with rare exception, my college experience was as rich and varied and interesting -- and happy and fulfilling -- as my fortunate primary and secondary education had been.

That said, it&#039;s frustrating to think that that blip of insecurity I encountered becomes a full-blown obstacle to higher education for some women.  Given my own experience (the only light through which I can view the situation), it seems to me a massive effort to improve the overall self-esteem of teenage girls is in order.

Thanks for letting me extrapolate on this thought.  Kate, I completely dig your blog, and respect and cheer your voice on this soapbox.  It also appears that you have exceptionally insightful commenters, which makes reading SP all the more fun.  &lt;em&gt;::enthusiastic applause::&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting to me because, in some ways, I think I grew up in an atypical situation.  Fat pretty much since the beginning, I had an incredibly supportive (and &#8212; to varying degrees &#8212; fat) family who never allowed me to use my size as an excuse for doing (or not doing) anything.  I participated in a gazillion extracurricular activities all the way through school, was very active in the community, and was assertive and outgoing in everything I did.  Gosh, I&#8217;m still like that today at the tender age of 41.  ;-)</p>
<p>Despite my freakishly &#8220;normal&#8221; life, its attendant honors and kudos, and my seemingly unusual high esteem (that is, for a fat girl), when it came time for me to go to college, I did fear that my weight would interfere with the process.  I was afraid that I would be rejected by the schools where I applied, that the required physical would somehow be used as code to discriminate against me, that the other students would all be perfect size 8s and incapable of understanding/accepting my never-size-8 self.</p>
<p>Thankfully, that period of insecurity was relatively short as I was accepted to every college where I applied, the weigh-in at my physical apparently didn&#8217;t disqualify me, and I found a campus full of individual people with individual body types and all sorts of their own individual insecurities.  I immediately fell back into try-everything-at-least-once-and-do-it-well mode, and can happily say that, with rare exception, my college experience was as rich and varied and interesting &#8212; and happy and fulfilling &#8212; as my fortunate primary and secondary education had been.</p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s frustrating to think that that blip of insecurity I encountered becomes a full-blown obstacle to higher education for some women.  Given my own experience (the only light through which I can view the situation), it seems to me a massive effort to improve the overall self-esteem of teenage girls is in order.</p>
<p>Thanks for letting me extrapolate on this thought.  Kate, I completely dig your blog, and respect and cheer your voice on this soapbox.  It also appears that you have exceptionally insightful commenters, which makes reading SP all the more fun.  <em>::enthusiastic applause::</em></p>
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		<title>By: Nabriya</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nabriya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there anywhere I can get a hold of the article?

I am currently doing postgrad study and have several undergrad degrees. However I have done all my study by distance education. 

Keep up the good work Kate!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there anywhere I can get a hold of the article?</p>
<p>I am currently doing postgrad study and have several undergrad degrees. However I have done all my study by distance education. </p>
<p>Keep up the good work Kate!</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kateharding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 13:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ruth and Adrienne, good luck to you both!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruth and Adrienne, good luck to you both!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrienne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrienne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a fat girl that dropped out of highschool, never applied myself in school because there was no point.  I was torture, not by taunting, but by the fact that no one wanted to be seen with me at parties and stuff.  Highschool was horrible.  I eventually went to college and now university, but I stayed in my home town.  It&#039;s horrible to live in fear of the reactions of people to my body, and that&#039;s why I haven&#039;t gone far from home.  I always felt too fat to leave, to fat to pursue higher education, no one would accept me.  College and university really helped, I applied myself and saw that I could do it.  Now, I am planning my escape, fatter than ever, but my attitude has changed and along with it the way people treat me, and especially the way I treat myself. I am nervous...well scared shitless to leave, but I think it will be the best thing for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a fat girl that dropped out of highschool, never applied myself in school because there was no point.  I was torture, not by taunting, but by the fact that no one wanted to be seen with me at parties and stuff.  Highschool was horrible.  I eventually went to college and now university, but I stayed in my home town.  It&#8217;s horrible to live in fear of the reactions of people to my body, and that&#8217;s why I haven&#8217;t gone far from home.  I always felt too fat to leave, to fat to pursue higher education, no one would accept me.  College and university really helped, I applied myself and saw that I could do it.  Now, I am planning my escape, fatter than ever, but my attitude has changed and along with it the way people treat me, and especially the way I treat myself. I am nervous&#8230;well scared shitless to leave, but I think it will be the best thing for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ruth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 02:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was well-qualified to go to college - in the top 10% of my graduating HS class - but the closer I got to it, the more I realized the last thing I wanted to do with my life was prolong the school experience. You watch stupid college movies and they treat fat girls no better than they do in stupid high school movies - which feel a lot like your own high school experience if you grew up like I did, being laughed at and ostracized.

Of course, I had worse things than fat to be made fun of for sometimes - I was an agnostic in a Bible Belt town and vocal about it, I didn&#039;t have a boyfriend - not because I&#039;m fat, but because I preferred older men (&quot;ewwwww gross!&quot;) and I was also a quiet bisexual (&quot;ewwww grosser!&quot;), I was in a single parent family receiving SS assistance since my father died (&quot;lazy immoral cow!&quot;), and since I was more studious than other kids in my classes, they used me for homework because they figured I&#039;d give up because I was desperate for attention.

And sometimes I did, just because I felt like it was expected of me. Just like college was expected of me. But after that was done with, I never wanted to be in a classroom again. And that was the worst thing - admitting I didn&#039;t wanna go to college lost me my real friends, my teacher friends who I&#039;d bonded with, and it brought more. I guess I am a stereotype of a fat girl who didn&#039;t wanna go to college and wasted her life away. In some ways, it is wasted. But tomorrow&#039;s my six year anniversary with my wife who I moved to MA to be with, and even though I&#039;m disabled now I don&#039;t care if people call me a lazy cow sponging off the government. I&#039;ll never have to be in that abusive environment again.

Also, I can get scholarships now to go to school, and I&#039;m gonna do it soon. I won&#039;t be with those classmates who hurt me; I&#039;ll just be the older girl with the cane in the back row doing her work and ignoring the haters.

I guess it just has to be the right time for everyone. Even fat girls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was well-qualified to go to college &#8211; in the top 10% of my graduating HS class &#8211; but the closer I got to it, the more I realized the last thing I wanted to do with my life was prolong the school experience. You watch stupid college movies and they treat fat girls no better than they do in stupid high school movies &#8211; which feel a lot like your own high school experience if you grew up like I did, being laughed at and ostracized.</p>
<p>Of course, I had worse things than fat to be made fun of for sometimes &#8211; I was an agnostic in a Bible Belt town and vocal about it, I didn&#8217;t have a boyfriend &#8211; not because I&#8217;m fat, but because I preferred older men (&#8220;ewwwww gross!&#8221;) and I was also a quiet bisexual (&#8220;ewwww grosser!&#8221;), I was in a single parent family receiving SS assistance since my father died (&#8220;lazy immoral cow!&#8221;), and since I was more studious than other kids in my classes, they used me for homework because they figured I&#8217;d give up because I was desperate for attention.</p>
<p>And sometimes I did, just because I felt like it was expected of me. Just like college was expected of me. But after that was done with, I never wanted to be in a classroom again. And that was the worst thing &#8211; admitting I didn&#8217;t wanna go to college lost me my real friends, my teacher friends who I&#8217;d bonded with, and it brought more. I guess I am a stereotype of a fat girl who didn&#8217;t wanna go to college and wasted her life away. In some ways, it is wasted. But tomorrow&#8217;s my six year anniversary with my wife who I moved to MA to be with, and even though I&#8217;m disabled now I don&#8217;t care if people call me a lazy cow sponging off the government. I&#8217;ll never have to be in that abusive environment again.</p>
<p>Also, I can get scholarships now to go to school, and I&#8217;m gonna do it soon. I won&#8217;t be with those classmates who hurt me; I&#8217;ll just be the older girl with the cane in the back row doing her work and ignoring the haters.</p>
<p>I guess it just has to be the right time for everyone. Even fat girls.</p>
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