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		<title>By: Cat</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/13/fat-hatred-kills-part-two/#comment-104953</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can so relate to what you have written about yourself and your mother.  As the only fat member of my family no amount of professional, artistic. or personal achievement will overarch the fact that I am fat.  My family isn&#039;t even interested in my life, just that I&#039;m fat.  

I live several thousand miles away (surprise) and rarely return to visit because I am not like your nice sister Rose and my standing up for myself in such situations always creates friction and &quot;hurt&quot; feelings.  I don&#039;t relish being a source of conflict so I stay away.  When I return for weddings or funerals I&#039;ve endured the stares, the shunning, the half veiled comments, the controlling statements of concern ala Aunt Joan.  It&#039;s galling to the extreme.

Again I&#039;m so sorry that you had to endure this poor treatment at the worst possible time.  You certainly deserved much better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can so relate to what you have written about yourself and your mother.  As the only fat member of my family no amount of professional, artistic. or personal achievement will overarch the fact that I am fat.  My family isn&#8217;t even interested in my life, just that I&#8217;m fat.  </p>
<p>I live several thousand miles away (surprise) and rarely return to visit because I am not like your nice sister Rose and my standing up for myself in such situations always creates friction and &#8220;hurt&#8221; feelings.  I don&#8217;t relish being a source of conflict so I stay away.  When I return for weddings or funerals I&#8217;ve endured the stares, the shunning, the half veiled comments, the controlling statements of concern ala Aunt Joan.  It&#8217;s galling to the extreme.</p>
<p>Again I&#8217;m so sorry that you had to endure this poor treatment at the worst possible time.  You certainly deserved much better.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacia</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/13/fat-hatred-kills-part-two/#comment-64924</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stacia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thorn, this is a wonderful series, and you have done so much good in writing this.  Your whole family should be proud of you.

My mother died a few years ago from cancer.  She had 3 kids from a previous marriage, who I barely know and who hate that I exist.  These 3 didn&#039;t help one bit during mom&#039;s illness or funeral, and one of the 2 who showed up to the funeral wouldn&#039;t get anywhere near me because I was fat.  She&#039;s an idiot, the kind who think fat is contagious, and she literally backed away from me constantly.  I had to make sure I never stepped within 10 feet of her or she&#039;d start backing into things. 

Like a professor of mine once said, it&#039;s great you can choose your friends, and it&#039;s a shame you can&#039;t choose your family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thorn, this is a wonderful series, and you have done so much good in writing this.  Your whole family should be proud of you.</p>
<p>My mother died a few years ago from cancer.  She had 3 kids from a previous marriage, who I barely know and who hate that I exist.  These 3 didn&#8217;t help one bit during mom&#8217;s illness or funeral, and one of the 2 who showed up to the funeral wouldn&#8217;t get anywhere near me because I was fat.  She&#8217;s an idiot, the kind who think fat is contagious, and she literally backed away from me constantly.  I had to make sure I never stepped within 10 feet of her or she&#8217;d start backing into things. </p>
<p>Like a professor of mine once said, it&#8217;s great you can choose your friends, and it&#8217;s a shame you can&#8217;t choose your family.</p>
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		<title>By: hildir</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/13/fat-hatred-kills-part-two/#comment-59659</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hildir]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 04:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am very sorry.......I know the feeling of what you are going thru ..........my grandmother thinks fat people are nasty she came to my house and sprayed the bed and bath heavily with disinfectant  the one time she spent the night ..........I have not talked to her in years !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very sorry&#8230;&#8230;.I know the feeling of what you are going thru &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.my grandmother thinks fat people are nasty she came to my house and sprayed the bed and bath heavily with disinfectant  the one time she spent the night &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.I have not talked to her in years !</p>
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		<title>By: honi</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/13/fat-hatred-kills-part-two/#comment-54525</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[honi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Justme.. that is a beautiful Eulogy.. I wish things had been different for you during this dark time.. I wish you had been able to mourn has you should have been.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Justme.. that is a beautiful Eulogy.. I wish things had been different for you during this dark time.. I wish you had been able to mourn has you should have been.</p>
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		<title>By: justme</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/13/fat-hatred-kills-part-two/#comment-48855</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[justme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You wrote a beautiful eulogy Thorn. Parts 1 &amp; 2. Your mother would be so proud of how you have chosen to remember her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote a beautiful eulogy Thorn. Parts 1 &amp; 2. Your mother would be so proud of how you have chosen to remember her.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/13/fat-hatred-kills-part-two/#comment-41814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You realize, don&#039;t you, that in writing about why your mom died, and what people did to make her and you feel bad about yourselves, you have written a finer eulogy than you ever could have delivered at the funeral? People all over the world know about your mom, care about your mom, care about what it meant to lose her. You&#039;re DOING something about the hatred that killed her. You&#039;re making the world a better place for all of us. Your actions are a credit to the woman who raised you. I do not want to push any set of beliefs on anyone, but it is my profound conviction that your mother is in a place of peace and rest where she can be free of pain and shame, and that she knows how much you love her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You realize, don&#8217;t you, that in writing about why your mom died, and what people did to make her and you feel bad about yourselves, you have written a finer eulogy than you ever could have delivered at the funeral? People all over the world know about your mom, care about your mom, care about what it meant to lose her. You&#8217;re DOING something about the hatred that killed her. You&#8217;re making the world a better place for all of us. Your actions are a credit to the woman who raised you. I do not want to push any set of beliefs on anyone, but it is my profound conviction that your mother is in a place of peace and rest where she can be free of pain and shame, and that she knows how much you love her.</p>
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		<title>By: Anxiety = Control &#171; Thornacious</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/13/fat-hatred-kills-part-two/#comment-19210</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anxiety = Control &#171; Thornacious]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 04:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] say anything. That&#8217;s the plan. But then, who would have thought anyone would say anything the last two times [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] say anything. That&#8217;s the plan. But then, who would have thought anyone would say anything the last two times [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fat hatred: undiagnosed killer &#171; Relentless Inquiry</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/13/fat-hatred-kills-part-two/#comment-18495</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fat hatred: undiagnosed killer &#171; Relentless Inquiry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 19:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] mom via &#8217;s journal. Went on to read the comments (oh, the comments &#8230; heartbreaking) and the follow-up posting. [Edit: and the third [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mom via &#8217;s journal. Went on to read the comments (oh, the comments &#8230; heartbreaking) and the follow-up posting. [Edit: and the third [...]</p>
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		<title>By: littlem</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/13/fat-hatred-kills-part-two/#comment-3822</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[littlem]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“No one but the medically obese will ever understand the daily struggle involved with food and weight.”&lt;/i&gt;

With great respect, I have to disagree.  Based on my own experience (once “medically obese”, now not) and based on what American women say (and a lot of European women, for that matter – and some friends of African relatives who have been stuffed prior to marriage to be “attractive” to their husbands – same problem, really, control over how women’s bodies look; just the inapposite cultural take) whom I talk to and/or read about daily. IMHO, &lt;i&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; modern woman has an eating disorder.

I also believe that, whether we stuff or starve, and really so connected to this story, it’s related to what we DON’T say.  Particularly to people who are – deliberately or not – hurting us badly.

More centrally On Topic: &lt;i&gt;“I don’t mean to be offensive…”/”Then stop now.”&lt;/i&gt;

What &lt;b&gt;Deborah Lipp&lt;/b&gt; said.

Also, what &lt;b&gt;Toby Wallin&lt;/b&gt;said (especially in retort).  As women, we are regularly regarded by the medical establishment as “emotional creatures of appetite.”  I believe that a significant reason for that is that the majority of medical research is – still – based on how MEN’S bodies work.

However, as women, if we’re not outwardly “emotional”, we’re also excoriated – even, and sometimes especially, by other women -- if we’re analytical, logical, and/or plain-spoken.  Because then we’re lecturing, cold-hearted b*tches.

It really is a feminist issue.  No matter what a woman does or doesn’t do, whatever happens that’s bad is her fault.  &lt;i&gt;How many of us eat to stuff down what we would have said?&lt;/i&gt; Or –feeling  particularly germane in the case of Aunt Harpies the world over -- what we would have said &lt;i&gt;back?&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“No one but the medically obese will ever understand the daily struggle involved with food and weight.”</i></p>
<p>With great respect, I have to disagree.  Based on my own experience (once “medically obese”, now not) and based on what American women say (and a lot of European women, for that matter – and some friends of African relatives who have been stuffed prior to marriage to be “attractive” to their husbands – same problem, really, control over how women’s bodies look; just the inapposite cultural take) whom I talk to and/or read about daily. IMHO, <i>every</i> modern woman has an eating disorder.</p>
<p>I also believe that, whether we stuff or starve, and really so connected to this story, it’s related to what we DON’T say.  Particularly to people who are – deliberately or not – hurting us badly.</p>
<p>More centrally On Topic: <i>“I don’t mean to be offensive…”/”Then stop now.”</i></p>
<p>What <b>Deborah Lipp</b> said.</p>
<p>Also, what <b>Toby Wallin</b>said (especially in retort).  As women, we are regularly regarded by the medical establishment as “emotional creatures of appetite.”  I believe that a significant reason for that is that the majority of medical research is – still – based on how MEN’S bodies work.</p>
<p>However, as women, if we’re not outwardly “emotional”, we’re also excoriated – even, and sometimes especially, by other women &#8212; if we’re analytical, logical, and/or plain-spoken.  Because then we’re lecturing, cold-hearted b*tches.</p>
<p>It really is a feminist issue.  No matter what a woman does or doesn’t do, whatever happens that’s bad is her fault.  <i>How many of us eat to stuff down what we would have said?</i> Or –feeling  particularly germane in the case of Aunt Harpies the world over &#8212; what we would have said <i>back?</i></p>
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		<title>By: Betsy</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/07/13/fat-hatred-kills-part-two/#comment-3821</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Betsy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m so, so sorry for your loss, and for the horrible way your aunt compounded it.  Sometimes I&#039;m shocked at the rudeness people will display when they think it&#039;s for someone&#039;s &quot;own good.&quot;  

This is OT, but I&#039;m reminded of a time when I was 14.  I used to go camping every year at the same site and roughly the same week each summer. There were several families that would do the same, and though we didn&#039;t know each other outside that world, after several years we became fairly close.  When I was 14, one of the girls who was about 2 years older than me was pregnant.  When I found out (in a group of people who already knew) I said, &quot;Congratulations!&quot;  Afterward, my friend&#039;s mom took me aside and said that she was very impressed with me because it was the first nice thing anyone had said to this girl.  Everyone had been clucking their tongues about it, as if she didn&#039;t already know that it was considered less than ideal to be pregnant at 16.  For god&#039;s sake - is basic compassion and human decency too much to ask when confronted with people that make us uncomfortable for some reason?  This, I think, is where manners are so important - not to make sure no one uses the wrong fork, but to set up a framework to ensure that people are verbally and physically respectful of each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so, so sorry for your loss, and for the horrible way your aunt compounded it.  Sometimes I&#8217;m shocked at the rudeness people will display when they think it&#8217;s for someone&#8217;s &#8220;own good.&#8221;  </p>
<p>This is OT, but I&#8217;m reminded of a time when I was 14.  I used to go camping every year at the same site and roughly the same week each summer. There were several families that would do the same, and though we didn&#8217;t know each other outside that world, after several years we became fairly close.  When I was 14, one of the girls who was about 2 years older than me was pregnant.  When I found out (in a group of people who already knew) I said, &#8220;Congratulations!&#8221;  Afterward, my friend&#8217;s mom took me aside and said that she was very impressed with me because it was the first nice thing anyone had said to this girl.  Everyone had been clucking their tongues about it, as if she didn&#8217;t already know that it was considered less than ideal to be pregnant at 16.  For god&#8217;s sake &#8211; is basic compassion and human decency too much to ask when confronted with people that make us uncomfortable for some reason?  This, I think, is where manners are so important &#8211; not to make sure no one uses the wrong fork, but to set up a framework to ensure that people are verbally and physically respectful of each other.</p>
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