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		<title>By: http://heartdisease.advicemadeeasy.com</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/28/type-1-diabetes-and-heart-disease-is-more-fat-better-or-worse/#comment-5034</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 03:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>We are markedly enthusiastic that you have uncovered our page about coronary heart disease.</p>
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		<title>By: meowser</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/28/type-1-diabetes-and-heart-disease-is-more-fat-better-or-worse/#comment-2826</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meowser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 13:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meg, I don&#039;t know that Americans are obsessed wtih immortality (though I suppose some are) as they are with the idea of a Magic Bullet for Wellness.  If you&#039;re thin enough, they reason, you won&#039;t ever get really sick, at least not until you&#039;re well over 80.

Obviously that&#039;s nonsense.  People of all sizes and all ages get &quot;really sick.&quot;  Yes, even if they&#039;re perfectly slim, athletic, don&#039;t smoke or drink to excess or eat anything &quot;nonorganic.&quot;  All the time.  Daily, in fact.  

But nobody wants to hear it.  Nobody wants to hear that they don&#039;t have that much control over &quot;wellness,&quot; that it&#039;s not like all the fat people who are sick or in pain would suddenly be perfectly healthy and running marathons if they could only give up the french fries (which would of course make us all slender as well as give us Perfect Cardiovascular Health).  They want fat people to be sick, because they think we&#039;re ugly, and Ugly Equals Unhealthy.  

If we all get our feet lopped off from gangrene and go blind from retinopathy, then we can&#039;t walk around their precious airports being eyesores and disrupting their upper-class-twit reveries.  So of course diabetes is caused by stuffing your stupid face!  It &lt;em&gt;has&lt;/em&gt; to be!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meg, I don&#8217;t know that Americans are obsessed wtih immortality (though I suppose some are) as they are with the idea of a Magic Bullet for Wellness.  If you&#8217;re thin enough, they reason, you won&#8217;t ever get really sick, at least not until you&#8217;re well over 80.</p>
<p>Obviously that&#8217;s nonsense.  People of all sizes and all ages get &#8220;really sick.&#8221;  Yes, even if they&#8217;re perfectly slim, athletic, don&#8217;t smoke or drink to excess or eat anything &#8220;nonorganic.&#8221;  All the time.  Daily, in fact.  </p>
<p>But nobody wants to hear it.  Nobody wants to hear that they don&#8217;t have that much control over &#8220;wellness,&#8221; that it&#8217;s not like all the fat people who are sick or in pain would suddenly be perfectly healthy and running marathons if they could only give up the french fries (which would of course make us all slender as well as give us Perfect Cardiovascular Health).  They want fat people to be sick, because they think we&#8217;re ugly, and Ugly Equals Unhealthy.  </p>
<p>If we all get our feet lopped off from gangrene and go blind from retinopathy, then we can&#8217;t walk around their precious airports being eyesores and disrupting their upper-class-twit reveries.  So of course diabetes is caused by stuffing your stupid face!  It <em>has</em> to be!</p>
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		<title>By: Rio Iriri</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/28/type-1-diabetes-and-heart-disease-is-more-fat-better-or-worse/#comment-2819</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rio Iriri]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 07:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;License to be fat&quot;--that&#039;s an absolutely perfect concept for how people treat us!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;License to be fat&#8221;&#8211;that&#8217;s an absolutely perfect concept for how people treat us!</p>
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		<title>By: Meg Thornton</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/28/type-1-diabetes-and-heart-disease-is-more-fat-better-or-worse/#comment-2796</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meg Thornton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 18:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an Australian, can I ask when US society became obsessed with the notion of immortality?  Seriously, that&#039;s what I&#039;m hearing a lot of when I hear any talk about the &quot;risks&quot; of being &quot;overweight&quot; - people saying that if I lose weight, I won&#039;t die as soon.  Given my genetics (I have three grandparents out of four who survived past ninety, one of whom is still alive and kicking at about ninety-four now) I&#039;m likely to have a good long innings.  I also have chronic depression, complete with occasional suicidal patches, so when I hear these things it&#039;s like &quot;And I&#039;d want to live longer for what?&quot;  

We all get the same amount of time on this planet: one lifetime.  It lasts the same length, subjectively, whether we live one day or one hundred and fifty years.  Losing weight won&#039;t necessarily get you more youth - those extra years are added on at the end of your life - and the added stress, strain and misery of dealing with myself on a diet just adds to the problems of my depression.  No kidding, I found quitting dieting added about another ten years onto the point where I had to go onto medication for the depression - simply because I found that without the constant daily twenty-four hour self-hate, I felt a lot better! 

I&#039;d ask why people aren&#039;t just being encouraged to concentrate on what makes them feel happy, but I realise that if we all did that, the marketing industry would collapse in a heap.  After all, they survive by making people feel discontented, so they&#039;ll buy more of $PRODUCT_NAME to try and feel happier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Australian, can I ask when US society became obsessed with the notion of immortality?  Seriously, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m hearing a lot of when I hear any talk about the &#8220;risks&#8221; of being &#8220;overweight&#8221; &#8211; people saying that if I lose weight, I won&#8217;t die as soon.  Given my genetics (I have three grandparents out of four who survived past ninety, one of whom is still alive and kicking at about ninety-four now) I&#8217;m likely to have a good long innings.  I also have chronic depression, complete with occasional suicidal patches, so when I hear these things it&#8217;s like &#8220;And I&#8217;d want to live longer for what?&#8221;  </p>
<p>We all get the same amount of time on this planet: one lifetime.  It lasts the same length, subjectively, whether we live one day or one hundred and fifty years.  Losing weight won&#8217;t necessarily get you more youth &#8211; those extra years are added on at the end of your life &#8211; and the added stress, strain and misery of dealing with myself on a diet just adds to the problems of my depression.  No kidding, I found quitting dieting added about another ten years onto the point where I had to go onto medication for the depression &#8211; simply because I found that without the constant daily twenty-four hour self-hate, I felt a lot better! </p>
<p>I&#8217;d ask why people aren&#8217;t just being encouraged to concentrate on what makes them feel happy, but I realise that if we all did that, the marketing industry would collapse in a heap.  After all, they survive by making people feel discontented, so they&#8217;ll buy more of $PRODUCT_NAME to try and feel happier.</p>
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		<title>By: Roberta Lipp</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/28/type-1-diabetes-and-heart-disease-is-more-fat-better-or-worse/#comment-2765</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roberta Lipp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 19:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eleventy billion times. 
It&#039;s like if they don&#039;t remind us &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; many times, their minor and tentative declaration that extra body fat might not always definitively be the cause of all our current and future illness and deaths... without their loving (*patronizing*) reminders and guidance about this, they may as well have just whipped off the big ol&#039; tablecloths, uncovering the Chinese buffet entryway to fat people heaven. And off we would be running. (Those of us that are, you know, mobile.)
Wheww. Lucky for us we have these guys looking out for us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eleventy billion times.<br />
It&#8217;s like if they don&#8217;t remind us <i>that</i> many times, their minor and tentative declaration that extra body fat might not always definitively be the cause of all our current and future illness and deaths&#8230; without their loving (*patronizing*) reminders and guidance about this, they may as well have just whipped off the big ol&#8217; tablecloths, uncovering the Chinese buffet entryway to fat people heaven. And off we would be running. (Those of us that are, you know, mobile.)<br />
Wheww. Lucky for us we have these guys looking out for us.</p>
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		<title>By: alphabitch</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/28/type-1-diabetes-and-heart-disease-is-more-fat-better-or-worse/#comment-2739</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alphabitch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to have to read the paper, I guess, because I couldn&#039;t quite figure it out either; they seem to be using &quot;increased risk&quot; to mean both &quot;more frequent&quot; and &quot;more severe.&quot;  

But I think you have it essentially right: Type I diabetics who are fat have a measureably higher incidence of coronary artery calcifications; but the thinner ones who &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; develop calcifications get them worse.

And I would sum up their conclusion for the long term treatment of patients with Type I diabetes thus: &#039;It&#039;s entirely possible that we maybe don&#039;t have to ride their fat asses so hard to lose weight if they&#039;re not naturally thin.  More studies are needed. Because, I mean, fat is Very Bad.&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to have to read the paper, I guess, because I couldn&#8217;t quite figure it out either; they seem to be using &#8220;increased risk&#8221; to mean both &#8220;more frequent&#8221; and &#8220;more severe.&#8221;  </p>
<p>But I think you have it essentially right: Type I diabetics who are fat have a measureably higher incidence of coronary artery calcifications; but the thinner ones who <em>do</em> develop calcifications get them worse.</p>
<p>And I would sum up their conclusion for the long term treatment of patients with Type I diabetes thus: &#8216;It&#8217;s entirely possible that we maybe don&#8217;t have to ride their fat asses so hard to lose weight if they&#8217;re not naturally thin.  More studies are needed. Because, I mean, fat is Very Bad.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: sweet machine (laura)</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/28/type-1-diabetes-and-heart-disease-is-more-fat-better-or-worse/#comment-2735</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sweet machine (laura)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kate, I was just reading the insane &quot;does a fat woman have the right to be a mom&quot; question on Broadsheet, and lo and behold, there you are in the comments, kicking ass once again. You rock my world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, I was just reading the insane &#8220;does a fat woman have the right to be a mom&#8221; question on Broadsheet, and lo and behold, there you are in the comments, kicking ass once again. You rock my world.</p>
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		<title>By: fatfu</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/28/type-1-diabetes-and-heart-disease-is-more-fat-better-or-worse/#comment-2731</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fatfu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is the most honest and definitive statement you&#039;re going to get on the subject: 

&quot; [it] emphasizes the complex relationship between body fat and cardiovascular risk in diabetes, &quot;

I like these studies because they undermine our illusions of simplicity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the most honest and definitive statement you&#8217;re going to get on the subject: </p>
<p>&#8221; [it] emphasizes the complex relationship between body fat and cardiovascular risk in diabetes, &#8221;</p>
<p>I like these studies because they undermine our illusions of simplicity.</p>
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		<title>By: BStu</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/28/type-1-diabetes-and-heart-disease-is-more-fat-better-or-worse/#comment-2726</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BStu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow.  Its as if things aren&#039;t as simple as we&#039;ve been led to believe.  I&#039;m shocked.  How could the media and medical establishment do this to us?  I&#039;d have never suspected.

Must being meaningless.  Best to just ignore these findings and get  back to clapping louder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Its as if things aren&#8217;t as simple as we&#8217;ve been led to believe.  I&#8217;m shocked.  How could the media and medical establishment do this to us?  I&#8217;d have never suspected.</p>
<p>Must being meaningless.  Best to just ignore these findings and get  back to clapping louder.</p>
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		<title>By: Meowser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Meowser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Now, don&#039;t take this as a license to actually &lt;em&gt;enjoy your food&lt;/em&gt; because that would be the Worst Thing Evarrrr.&quot;  Right, like type 1 diabetics just cram whatever they want into their faces and don&#039;t think about their insulin levels &lt;em&gt;every frigging second&lt;/em&gt;. GAAAAH.   In fact, aren&#039;t insulin-dependent diabetics of all types supposed to adjust their insulin intake to their carb intake, which is why they count carbs in the first place?  Never mind, though.  Any lede that suggests that fat =/= instant death is gonna get buried in the MSM -- they&#039;re paid to do exactly that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now, don&#8217;t take this as a license to actually <em>enjoy your food</em> because that would be the Worst Thing Evarrrr.&#8221;  Right, like type 1 diabetics just cram whatever they want into their faces and don&#8217;t think about their insulin levels <em>every frigging second</em>. GAAAAH.   In fact, aren&#8217;t insulin-dependent diabetics of all types supposed to adjust their insulin intake to their carb intake, which is why they count carbs in the first place?  Never mind, though.  Any lede that suggests that fat =/= instant death is gonna get buried in the MSM &#8212; they&#8217;re paid to do exactly that.</p>
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