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		<title>By: brooklyn</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/23/fat-health-care/#comment-2664</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am sitting here at work, reading this and crying. I didn&#039;t even realize that I had Done Something when I avoided going back to a PCP because every time I went she berated me about how I was going to get Type 2 diabetes because both of my parents got it if I didn&#039;t lose weight.  So I just never went to see her again.

She didn&#039;t ask me what I ate, or if my diet was markedly different than my parents&#039; (I was eating tofu and ground turkey in the 80s when they just made fun of me).  Or anything else about my life. 

and it happened again today. she&#039;s telling me what my bmi was, and i just said, &quot;you know, i&#039;m fully aware that i need to lose weight, and i want to lose weight, and i&#039;ve tried every diet that exists.&quot;  there was no need for her to take my bmi. i&#039;m fat, i know it, okay?

they just don&#039;t believe you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sitting here at work, reading this and crying. I didn&#8217;t even realize that I had Done Something when I avoided going back to a PCP because every time I went she berated me about how I was going to get Type 2 diabetes because both of my parents got it if I didn&#8217;t lose weight.  So I just never went to see her again.</p>
<p>She didn&#8217;t ask me what I ate, or if my diet was markedly different than my parents&#8217; (I was eating tofu and ground turkey in the 80s when they just made fun of me).  Or anything else about my life. </p>
<p>and it happened again today. she&#8217;s telling me what my bmi was, and i just said, &#8220;you know, i&#8217;m fully aware that i need to lose weight, and i want to lose weight, and i&#8217;ve tried every diet that exists.&#8221;  there was no need for her to take my bmi. i&#8217;m fat, i know it, okay?</p>
<p>they just don&#8217;t believe you.</p>
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		<title>By: I need to be anonymous for this one</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/23/fat-health-care/#comment-2576</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 01:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, I can&#039;t wait to check out some of these links. 

But I don&#039;t think my sister will listen to anything I have to say.  She has been fat since childhood.  My brother and I have tended to be more average weight, although since hitting menopause &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; taking various medications for severe depression (meds that are helpful, if not life-saving), I&#039;m carrying about 25 pounds of unhealthy belly fat.  This annoys me.

But mostly I can camouflage the belly fat, and it hasn&#039;t seriously hampered my activity.  My sister has been obese since childhood.  There are a lot of family dynamics involved, but ...wait, I have no business talking about this aspect.  Gah.

 Let me move on to a conversation I had with my sister a few years ago.  I&#039;d just had a breast lump removed (benign benign &lt;b&gt;benign! Yay!&lt;/b&gt;, so medical stuff was on my mind.  I asked her about her mammograms, and she said she&#039;d never had one.  She grudgingly told me that she&#039;s never had a pelvic exam or a PAP test in her entire life.  At this time, she was 49 years old.

My family is not close, and the intervening years haven&#039;t mended that.  My sister doesn&#039;t like to talk to me about these things, or anything (actually, she doesn&#039;t much like &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt;)  but she opened up enough back then to tell me this. 

I was the one who had to tell her that she&#039;s the consumer, the doctors and nurses are hired by &lt;i&gt;her&lt;/i&gt; to provide medical care, for which care they are paid, and to urge her to believe that she has the right to get a PAP test without additional commentary.  And that the world wouldn&#039;t end if she said straight out, &quot;Look, I&#039;m here for a PAP test.  That&#039;s what I want.  I am fully aware of my size and weight and do not want counseling from you on that subject.&quot;

Since then, I&#039;ve worried about her, and I&#039;ve been uncomfortable with having said stuff like that to her.  I don&#039;t think I said anything wrong, but I&#039;m not sure I conveyed my assumption of her intrinsic value, or my recognition that her situation kinda sucks.  You know?  She comes from a family in which the parental dialog was &quot;We&#039;d love you more if there were less of you to love&quot;, so obviously it&#039;s not gonna be easy for her to go into a doctor&#039;s office and demand to be treated with respect.

What&#039;s her leverage, anyway?  Fat people continue to be targets, and there&#039;s very little public pressure for that to end.  Fat peoples&#039; very flesh is assumed to be public property for comments, criticism, observations, contempt, pity....

My sister is not as healthy as she could be even without losing a pound.  You know one of the reasons why?  Maybe twenty years ago, during one of the times she was living with our parents, she fell and injured her ankle.  (She probably broke it.) She never went to the doctor (habitual shame); our parents never insisted that she go (so expensive when it&#039;ll probably heal on its own), and ever since then, she&#039;s had increasing pain and restriction when walking or weight-bearing of any but the most minimal kind.

She can&#039;t go for walks, or hikes.  She has to miss the fresh air and seasonal changes and bone benefits and heart benefits, and all the soul-healing benefits that the outdoors has to offer, regardless of whether she ever lost one damn pound of weight.

You&#039;d think I could do something about this, but believe me when I assure you that I can&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I can&#8217;t wait to check out some of these links. </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think my sister will listen to anything I have to say.  She has been fat since childhood.  My brother and I have tended to be more average weight, although since hitting menopause <i>and</i> taking various medications for severe depression (meds that are helpful, if not life-saving), I&#8217;m carrying about 25 pounds of unhealthy belly fat.  This annoys me.</p>
<p>But mostly I can camouflage the belly fat, and it hasn&#8217;t seriously hampered my activity.  My sister has been obese since childhood.  There are a lot of family dynamics involved, but &#8230;wait, I have no business talking about this aspect.  Gah.</p>
<p> Let me move on to a conversation I had with my sister a few years ago.  I&#8217;d just had a breast lump removed (benign benign <b>benign! Yay!</b>, so medical stuff was on my mind.  I asked her about her mammograms, and she said she&#8217;d never had one.  She grudgingly told me that she&#8217;s never had a pelvic exam or a PAP test in her entire life.  At this time, she was 49 years old.</p>
<p>My family is not close, and the intervening years haven&#8217;t mended that.  My sister doesn&#8217;t like to talk to me about these things, or anything (actually, she doesn&#8217;t much like <i>me</i>)  but she opened up enough back then to tell me this. </p>
<p>I was the one who had to tell her that she&#8217;s the consumer, the doctors and nurses are hired by <i>her</i> to provide medical care, for which care they are paid, and to urge her to believe that she has the right to get a PAP test without additional commentary.  And that the world wouldn&#8217;t end if she said straight out, &#8220;Look, I&#8217;m here for a PAP test.  That&#8217;s what I want.  I am fully aware of my size and weight and do not want counseling from you on that subject.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since then, I&#8217;ve worried about her, and I&#8217;ve been uncomfortable with having said stuff like that to her.  I don&#8217;t think I said anything wrong, but I&#8217;m not sure I conveyed my assumption of her intrinsic value, or my recognition that her situation kinda sucks.  You know?  She comes from a family in which the parental dialog was &#8220;We&#8217;d love you more if there were less of you to love&#8221;, so obviously it&#8217;s not gonna be easy for her to go into a doctor&#8217;s office and demand to be treated with respect.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s her leverage, anyway?  Fat people continue to be targets, and there&#8217;s very little public pressure for that to end.  Fat peoples&#8217; very flesh is assumed to be public property for comments, criticism, observations, contempt, pity&#8230;.</p>
<p>My sister is not as healthy as she could be even without losing a pound.  You know one of the reasons why?  Maybe twenty years ago, during one of the times she was living with our parents, she fell and injured her ankle.  (She probably broke it.) She never went to the doctor (habitual shame); our parents never insisted that she go (so expensive when it&#8217;ll probably heal on its own), and ever since then, she&#8217;s had increasing pain and restriction when walking or weight-bearing of any but the most minimal kind.</p>
<p>She can&#8217;t go for walks, or hikes.  She has to miss the fresh air and seasonal changes and bone benefits and heart benefits, and all the soul-healing benefits that the outdoors has to offer, regardless of whether she ever lost one damn pound of weight.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think I could do something about this, but believe me when I assure you that I can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/23/fat-health-care/#comment-2520</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kateharding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tami, I LOVE hearing stories like that! I hope you&#039;ll recommend your doctors for &lt;a href=&quot;http://cat-and-dragon.com/stef/fat/ffp1.html#contribute&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Stef&#039;s site.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tami, I LOVE hearing stories like that! I hope you&#8217;ll recommend your doctors for <a href="http://cat-and-dragon.com/stef/fat/ffp1.html#contribute" rel="nofollow">Stef&#8217;s site.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tami</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/23/fat-health-care/#comment-2516</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tami]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, every once in a while I have to stop and be thankful for my excellent doctors. My size? Somewhere upwards of 450 pounds.  When I go to the gynecologist, she sends me for an ultrasound in case there&#039;s something wrong that she can&#039;t feel because of my size. When I went to the doctor with breathing problems, they check me for infections. They never suggest that a sinus infection would be cured if I lost weight. Yes, they want me to lose weight, and I do, too, because my size keeps me from doing everything that I want to do. It is *not* senseless brow-beating because they think I&#039;m lazy or stupid. 

Everyone is a human being, and thus deserves the same respectful medical treatment that any other human being would receive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, every once in a while I have to stop and be thankful for my excellent doctors. My size? Somewhere upwards of 450 pounds.  When I go to the gynecologist, she sends me for an ultrasound in case there&#8217;s something wrong that she can&#8217;t feel because of my size. When I went to the doctor with breathing problems, they check me for infections. They never suggest that a sinus infection would be cured if I lost weight. Yes, they want me to lose weight, and I do, too, because my size keeps me from doing everything that I want to do. It is *not* senseless brow-beating because they think I&#8217;m lazy or stupid. </p>
<p>Everyone is a human being, and thus deserves the same respectful medical treatment that any other human being would receive.</p>
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		<title>By: shinobi</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/23/fat-health-care/#comment-2482</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shinobi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My mom had a stroke 4 years ago.  We think it was triggered by seizures that were triggered by the beggining of Menopause (It is also related to a massive accident from 20 years ago).  It was a major stroke, she temporarily lost all function to her left side.  She is walking again and getting around pretty well, sometimes she still acts crazy, but I can&#039;t imagine going through The Change plus recovering from a massive stroke.  She manages to do it all with relative cheer. 

I swear to you though, every time I go home she is on some other god damned diet. Every time she goes to the doctor he harasses her about her weight.  I know their are concerns like high blood pressure, but the woman goes to the gym for half a day three times a week and barely eats anything.  She&#039;s much healthier than my Dad who is on her case constantly.  She was on Nutri System, the california diet, some weird thing my dad found, I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll be &quot;cutting carbs&quot; again when I go home for the fourth.  

For a while there she was eating cottage cheese for breakfast every morning because it was &quot;low carb&quot; and then she went to the doc and her cholesterol was thorugh the roof.  SHOCKER.  I mean this woman has serious medical problems, but they aren&#039;t just because of her weight, high blood pressure, cholesterol, everything runs in the family.  

Why can&#039;t they give her a break?  Like it isn&#039;t depressing enough to not be able to drive, she&#039;s not allowed to eat either.  Raaaah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom had a stroke 4 years ago.  We think it was triggered by seizures that were triggered by the beggining of Menopause (It is also related to a massive accident from 20 years ago).  It was a major stroke, she temporarily lost all function to her left side.  She is walking again and getting around pretty well, sometimes she still acts crazy, but I can&#8217;t imagine going through The Change plus recovering from a massive stroke.  She manages to do it all with relative cheer. </p>
<p>I swear to you though, every time I go home she is on some other god damned diet. Every time she goes to the doctor he harasses her about her weight.  I know their are concerns like high blood pressure, but the woman goes to the gym for half a day three times a week and barely eats anything.  She&#8217;s much healthier than my Dad who is on her case constantly.  She was on Nutri System, the california diet, some weird thing my dad found, I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll be &#8220;cutting carbs&#8221; again when I go home for the fourth.  </p>
<p>For a while there she was eating cottage cheese for breakfast every morning because it was &#8220;low carb&#8221; and then she went to the doc and her cholesterol was thorugh the roof.  SHOCKER.  I mean this woman has serious medical problems, but they aren&#8217;t just because of her weight, high blood pressure, cholesterol, everything runs in the family.  </p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t they give her a break?  Like it isn&#8217;t depressing enough to not be able to drive, she&#8217;s not allowed to eat either.  Raaaah.</p>
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		<title>By: meowser</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/23/fat-health-care/#comment-2462</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meowser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 02:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holy crap, Jill, how ridiculous that a health care professional would advocate such dangerous malnourishment.

And the funeral story?  GAAAAH.  Even if the person who died was the most self-destructive person who ever existed -- even if she was a frigging &lt;em&gt;crack whore&lt;/em&gt; who turned unprotected tricks to get fixes -- it&#039;s in jawdropping bad taste to mention it at the funeral.  And being fat =/= crack whore, not even close.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap, Jill, how ridiculous that a health care professional would advocate such dangerous malnourishment.</p>
<p>And the funeral story?  GAAAAH.  Even if the person who died was the most self-destructive person who ever existed &#8212; even if she was a frigging <em>crack whore</em> who turned unprotected tricks to get fixes &#8212; it&#8217;s in jawdropping bad taste to mention it at the funeral.  And being fat =/= crack whore, not even close.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/23/fat-health-care/#comment-2454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 20:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been going to the same gynecologist for over 20 years, and she has never given me a hassle about my weight.  Last year I saw her for a UTI and she asked about my menopause symptoms.  I told her they were mild, and that my only problem was the weight gain and loss of my waistline.  Her response then was &quot;Welcome to menopause.&quot;

Six months later I went back to my regular exam and suddenly there was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.accuweight.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this diet&lt;/a&gt; that it was HIGHLY URGENT that I go on.  She went on it and lost 40 pounds in 2 months for her high school reunion.  

Now I am a big believer in Chi Gong and Chinese medicine and there may be something to the accupressure part of this.  But here&#039;s why people lose weight on this diet:  It&#039;s because the diet consists of the following:

Day 1:  20 oz. of full-fat milk.  That&#039;s it.
Day 2:  1-1/2 lbs. of vegetables.  That&#039;s it.

Continue until you lose the weight.

In 1983 I went on Cambridge Diet and went from 118 to 105.  The minute I went off it I started gaining -- and never stopped.  

I don&#039;t eat fast food.  I don&#039;t eat sweets excessively.  I do yoga, I walk.  And I am now a size 16.  And I have a doctor telling me to go on a crash diet after years of telling me not to worry about it.

According to her staff, she was a bitch on wheels while on this diet....sort of like I was when I was on Cambridge because I WAS HUNGRY ALL THE TIME.

But this is the medical profession for you.

I don&#039;t even have a problem with a doctor who wants me to lose weight -- if he or she is willing to provide constructive help and understanding that for some of us, calorie in/calorie out doesn&#039;t always apply.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been going to the same gynecologist for over 20 years, and she has never given me a hassle about my weight.  Last year I saw her for a UTI and she asked about my menopause symptoms.  I told her they were mild, and that my only problem was the weight gain and loss of my waistline.  Her response then was &#8220;Welcome to menopause.&#8221;</p>
<p>Six months later I went back to my regular exam and suddenly there was <a href="http://www.accuweight.com" rel="nofollow">this diet</a> that it was HIGHLY URGENT that I go on.  She went on it and lost 40 pounds in 2 months for her high school reunion.  </p>
<p>Now I am a big believer in Chi Gong and Chinese medicine and there may be something to the accupressure part of this.  But here&#8217;s why people lose weight on this diet:  It&#8217;s because the diet consists of the following:</p>
<p>Day 1:  20 oz. of full-fat milk.  That&#8217;s it.<br />
Day 2:  1-1/2 lbs. of vegetables.  That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>Continue until you lose the weight.</p>
<p>In 1983 I went on Cambridge Diet and went from 118 to 105.  The minute I went off it I started gaining &#8212; and never stopped.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t eat fast food.  I don&#8217;t eat sweets excessively.  I do yoga, I walk.  And I am now a size 16.  And I have a doctor telling me to go on a crash diet after years of telling me not to worry about it.</p>
<p>According to her staff, she was a bitch on wheels while on this diet&#8230;.sort of like I was when I was on Cambridge because I WAS HUNGRY ALL THE TIME.</p>
<p>But this is the medical profession for you.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even have a problem with a doctor who wants me to lose weight &#8212; if he or she is willing to provide constructive help and understanding that for some of us, calorie in/calorie out doesn&#8217;t always apply.</p>
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		<title>By: The Rotund</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/23/fat-health-care/#comment-2449</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Rotund]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I haven&#039;t been to the doctor in, oh, 5 or 6 years. I headed to an allergist this past November and for the first time in my entire life since I fattened up as a child have not had my symptoms blamed on my weight.

This highly encouraging event has led me to consider finding a new general practitioner and gyno. But I&#039;ve been sitting on the optimism for 6 months because, quite frankly, I still absolutely dread it and don&#039;t know quite how to summon the energy.

The allergist office weighs me but they make it clear it is to determine proper dosage. They take my blood pressure (which is perfect, I&#039;m told), and check other general things to make sure that giving me allergy tests or allergy shots is not going to make me more sick. The only time weight loss came up is when the doctor said the body being unable to process foods to which it is allergic can cause weight gain and so, if I am avoiding the foods on my allergy list, weight loss might be a side effect. She mentioned it as one of a host of things that might happen. 

It was amazing. Because for once, the goal of a doctor was to help me breathe instead of to shame me for my weight.

So, yeah, this resonates very personally for me]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been to the doctor in, oh, 5 or 6 years. I headed to an allergist this past November and for the first time in my entire life since I fattened up as a child have not had my symptoms blamed on my weight.</p>
<p>This highly encouraging event has led me to consider finding a new general practitioner and gyno. But I&#8217;ve been sitting on the optimism for 6 months because, quite frankly, I still absolutely dread it and don&#8217;t know quite how to summon the energy.</p>
<p>The allergist office weighs me but they make it clear it is to determine proper dosage. They take my blood pressure (which is perfect, I&#8217;m told), and check other general things to make sure that giving me allergy tests or allergy shots is not going to make me more sick. The only time weight loss came up is when the doctor said the body being unable to process foods to which it is allergic can cause weight gain and so, if I am avoiding the foods on my allergy list, weight loss might be a side effect. She mentioned it as one of a host of things that might happen. </p>
<p>It was amazing. Because for once, the goal of a doctor was to help me breathe instead of to shame me for my weight.</p>
<p>So, yeah, this resonates very personally for me</p>
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		<title>By: kateharding</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/23/fat-health-care/#comment-2447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kateharding]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 13:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ooh, Deborah, thanks for that link. 

La Di Da, you nailed it:

&lt;i&gt;If they’re not willing to consider that it might not actually be tragically unhealthy to be fat, or that weight loss doesn’t work, what other knowledge are they lacking?&lt;/i&gt;

That is right fuckin&#039; on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, Deborah, thanks for that link. </p>
<p>La Di Da, you nailed it:</p>
<p><i>If they’re not willing to consider that it might not actually be tragically unhealthy to be fat, or that weight loss doesn’t work, what other knowledge are they lacking?</i></p>
<p>That is right fuckin&#8217; on.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Lipp</title>
		<link>http://kateharding.net/2007/06/23/fat-health-care/#comment-2446</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deborah Lipp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 13:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There was also a thing about 18 months ago about overweight people not getting proper med dosages. I blogged it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.deborahlipp.com/wordpress/index.php?s=demerol&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Made me flippin&#039; MAD.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was also a thing about 18 months ago about overweight people not getting proper med dosages. I blogged it <a href="http://www.deborahlipp.com/wordpress/index.php?s=demerol" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Made me flippin&#8217; MAD.</p>
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